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Power steering rack - now it won't fit!

#1 Post by heraldcoupe » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:02 pm

I have a new Unipart power steering rack to fit my 214 Cabriolet. The unions onto the old rack are seized absolutely solid, I will have to cut both the feed and return pipes and make up replacements.

Can someone tell me what size fittings and pipe I'll need so I can get them ordered before the rack comes out?

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Bill.
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Re: Power steering rack fittings

#2 Post by GTiJohn » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:22 am

They're a combo of 10 & 12mm I think.

Where do you intend to get replacement pipes from? Rimmers have a few and have a sale on at the mo
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Re: Power steering rack fittings

#3 Post by heraldcoupe » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:20 pm

The return pipe is available as an OE part (I nowy have one) but the main feed seems to be unavailable.

Current plan is to cut the pipe and splice in a flexible section to a newly made stub, or possibly a banjo fitting if I have enough clearance.

I got to measuring the the new rack today and the fittings are M16 and M14 in case anyone else needs to know,

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Re: Power steering rack fittings

#4 Post by GTiJohn » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:21 am

Brakequip should be able to help with a HP pipe refurb.
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Re: Power steering rack - now it won't fit!

#5 Post by heraldcoupe » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:55 pm

Having taken an enforced break from the workshop due to an injury, I got back to the Rover today and completed the removal of the rack.

With the bushes swapped over, I got the new rack into place.. or almost into place, as it doesn't fit.

The replacement rack is a genuine Unipart GSR805E, which I believe is correct for a 1995 214 cabriolet.

My firstthought was that the rack was that the new rack was wrong in some way, but I'm not convinced.

The two racks are very similar, the hydraulic pipes unions are located differently though, they're further back on the new rack, so they won't the underside of the subframe.

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Can someone who knows these parts better than myself comment on which one looks correct for the car?

I am wondering whether my car has been previously converted to power steering, but instead of replacing the subframe with the correct PAS type, an alternative rack has been used which clears the standard manual subframe.
Comparison with photos of the later R3 rack suggest it might be one of these which was fitted to the car.

Anyone able to comment?

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Re: Power steering rack - now it won't fit!

#6 Post by Johnny 216GSi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:22 pm

heraldcoupe wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:55 pm
Having taken an enforced break from the workshop due to an injury, I got back to the Rover today and completed the removal of the rack.

With the bushes swapped over, I got the new rack into place.. or almost into place, as it doesn't fit.
That part is listed as an alternative for the 1.6 Honda-engine r8s on Rimmer Bros. not the 1.4 cars.

If you look at the rack in my restoration photo here: http://www.rover200.org.uk/forums/viewt ... 320#p69320

... you'll see that the replacement rack you're trying to fit is exactly the same as mine - which is a Honda-engine 1.6 216GSi. The pipes are on the underside when the steering gear shaft is pointed to the floor, and they follow the same paths - turn your rack steering-pin down and compare it to my photo - it'll look the same.

The only other PS rack listed on Rimmers is QEB003332E for anything but the 1.6. It's this one you need - unfortunately it's no longer available to buy new, but there could be some aftermarket or remanufactured parts out there.

These looks like the right ones:

Remanufactured: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POWER-STEERI ... 2903705298

Brand new: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rover-200-400 ... 2247254727

Looks like the right Unipart code is GSR 1142 - this part code appears in the second listing and all over Autodoc.co.uk parts shown for the 214GSi and other 214s. The second link I've given you lists an equivalent with TS694, which is the part code for the first link I gave you - so I think I've got this right!
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Re: Power steering rack - now it won't fit!

#7 Post by heraldcoupe » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:21 pm

Johnny 216GSi wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:22 pm
Looks like the right Unipart code is GSR 1142 - this part code appears in the second listing and all over Autodoc.co.uk parts shown for the 214GSi and other 214s. The second link I've given you lists an equivalent with TS694, which is the part code for the first link I gave you - so I think I've got this right!
Thanks for that. I originally found the reference to GSR805E with Rimmers, but their online listings didn't specify it as only suitable for the Honda-engined models.
Looking at your photos I can see the subframe layout is quite different, it makes sense now.

Cheers,
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Re: Power steering rack - now it won't fit!

#8 Post by Johnny 216GSi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:32 pm

heraldcoupe wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:21 pm
Johnny 216GSi wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:22 pm
Looks like the right Unipart code is GSR 1142 - this part code appears in the second listing and all over Autodoc.co.uk parts shown for the 214GSi and other 214s. The second link I've given you lists an equivalent with TS694, which is the part code for the first link I gave you - so I think I've got this right!
Thanks for that. I originally found the reference to GSR805E with Rimmers, but their online listings didn't specify it as only suitable for the Honda-engined models.
Looking at your photos I can see the subframe layout is quite different, it makes sense now.

Cheers,
Bill.
No, that's true - it doesn't explicitly say anything about that rack, but because it's a recommended alternative for the original 1.6 part it must be the same, and therefore won't fit other cars. In fact, it's only the Honda variants that have a different rack and have lots of other "specific" parts. Whenever I see a part listed as an alternative for the 1.6, I have been able to safely assume (so far) it'll fit and therefore it isn't a Rover part for all the other cars with K, T and L series engines.
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Re: Power steering rack - now it won't fit!

#9 Post by GTiJohn » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:22 am

Try as we might we couldn't make this part common across the two engine families - a fundamental consequence of having one family turn CW and the other ACW :slapme

Perhaps Rimmers could correct their listing....
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Re: Power steering rack - now it won't fit!

#10 Post by heraldcoupe » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:57 pm

GTiJohn wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:22 am
Perhaps Rimmers could correct their listing....
Rimmers are trade customers of mine (I'm a Triumph specialist) yet still manage to ignore any of the application details I give them.
What chance do you think they'd listen to advice for Rovers? :rolleyes

It looks like I now have the correct OE steering rack on the way, time to put the 216 rack up for sale,

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Re: Power steering rack - now it won't fit!

#11 Post by Johnny 216GSi » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:51 pm

heraldcoupe wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:57 pm
GTiJohn wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:22 am
Perhaps Rimmers could correct their listing....
Rimmers are trade customers of mine (I'm a Triumph specialist) yet still manage to ignore any of the application details I give them.
What chance do you think they'd listen to advice for Rovers? :rolleyes

It looks like I now have the correct OE steering rack on the way, time to put the 216 rack up for sale,

Cheers,
Bill.
Shouldn't be too difficult to sell if someone is serious about their Honda variant. They're £160 new but you can't find them anywhere now. Either don't under-price it or sell it to someone with a serious need. I'd have bought it from you but as you saw, I've finished my sub-frame.
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Re: Power steering rack - done at last!

#12 Post by heraldcoupe » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:53 pm

Well the Rover finally got moving again this morning. The second new rack, this time a brand new Unipart of the correct type, went on last week. One leaking union on the rack (not one I installed) and it all seems to work.
Tracking's miles out, but I'll leave that to a garage as I don't have the equipment to measure it accurately (or the will for trial and error),

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Re: Power steering rack - done at last!

#13 Post by crepello » Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:14 pm

heraldcoupe wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:53 pm
Tracking's miles out, but I'll leave that to a garage as I don't have the equipment to measure it accurately (or the will for trial and error),
When I replaced mine, I first placed the old one on a length of wood, and accurately marked the length over track rod ends. When I was ready with the new one, I adjusted to these marks, and further, I checked that the rack extension from central to full lock on each side was symmetrical.

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Re: Power steering rack - now it won't fit!

#14 Post by GTiJohn » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:24 pm

Well persevered Bill! :clapping
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