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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#106 Post by CoityCampers » Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:08 pm

montegoman wrote:
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Rimmers did have short indicator wings in stock.
When you checked did they have both left and right?

As they only have left hand wings atm

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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#107 Post by montegoman » Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:11 pm

To be honest, I didn't check. I bought a pair last year, one was much cheaper than the other, indicating to me that they had a large stock of the cheaper one.
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#108 Post by burtonm » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:42 am

I'm only seeing left too.

The GTi has really impressed me: it handles better than the GSi - the suspension is smoother - still soft, but it feels like it actually has some performance and pedigree, whereas the GSi just feels a bit awkward when you give it a bit of a challenge - it still performs admirably, enough to annoy the typical BMW driver on the northern Peak District twisties, all while climbing a not inconsiderable hillside in Saddleworth, but compared to the GTi it lacks a certain enthusiasm and confidence in its performance. The GTi manages to be a fun car to drive, engaging, capable and fun, while not taking it too far to the point it feels clinical, like the Honda Prelude I used to own before my GSi. It's a wonderfully well balanced machine, and one I hope to enjoy for many more miles in the future. I find the twincam engine to be a lot smoother too, especially on the motorway, where despite being in the same rev range as the SOHC, it's a completely different beast, much smoother and more manageable.
The GTi's interior is in much better condition too - the seats, while identical, are much more plush and supportive, making me realise those in the GSi are sagging a bit, while still comfortable. In the case of both cars though, I note the seat coverings are better attached to the base than in later cars like my old 216SLi, where they were held on with nothing more than a bit of tension in the fabric and a long plastic clip that eventually gave way, leaving both the covering and sponge beneath feeling loose and wobbly.
Further to that the headlining in the GTi is actually still attached to the roof, and the interior doesn't smell of anything - inside the GSi has an odd musty smell that I just can't get rid of - whatever I do, it always comes back.
The GSi doesn't have anything wrong with it, it's a good car in every respect: it's just that the GTi performs better in every way, except where the paint is lacquered and has tired out, unlike the GSi's solid colour.

To these ends the GSi will be up for sale soon: while a tidy and low mileage car I know it isn't worth much, and as such I'd hope for around £450. It isn't the cheapest around, admittedly, but it's a good, running car in good condition and I hope it can go onwards to a new home where it continues to be preserved.
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#109 Post by Johnny 216GSi » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:22 pm

burtonm wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:42 am
I'm only seeing left too.

The GTi has really impressed me: it handles better than the GSi - the suspension is smoother - still soft, but it feels like it actually has some performance and pedigree, whereas the GSi just feels a bit awkward when you give it a bit of a challenge - it still performs admirably, enough to annoy the typical BMW driver on the northern Peak District twisties, all while climbing a not inconsiderable hillside in Saddleworth, but compared to the GTi it lacks a certain enthusiasm and confidence in its performance. The GTi manages to be a fun car to drive, engaging, capable and fun, while not taking it too far to the point it feels clinical, like the Honda Prelude I used to own before my GSi. It's a wonderfully well balanced machine, and one I hope to enjoy for many more miles in the future. I find the twincam engine to be a lot smoother too, especially on the motorway, where despite being in the same rev range as the SOHC, it's a completely different beast, much smoother and more manageable.
The GTi's interior is in much better condition too - the seats, while identical, are much more plush and supportive, making me realise those in the GSi are sagging a bit, while still comfortable. In the case of both cars though, I note the seat coverings are better attached to the base than in later cars like my old 216SLi, where they were held on with nothing more than a bit of tension in the fabric and a long plastic clip that eventually gave way, leaving both the covering and sponge beneath feeling loose and wobbly.
Further to that the headlining in the GTi is actually still attached to the roof, and the interior doesn't smell of anything - inside the GSi has an odd musty smell that I just can't get rid of - whatever I do, it always comes back.
The GSi doesn't have anything wrong with it, it's a good car in every respect: it's just that the GTi performs better in every way, except where the paint is lacquered and has tired out, unlike the GSi's solid colour.

To these ends the GSi will be up for sale soon: while a tidy and low mileage car I know it isn't worth much, and as such I'd hope for around £450. It isn't the cheapest around, admittedly, but it's a good, running car in good condition and I hope it can go onwards to a new home where it continues to be preserved.
The GTi has a larger diameter ARB front and rear and stiffer front springs. The GTi is also guaranteed to have all-round discs whereas late GSi cars had rear drums.

It's only right that you're feeling the car is more precise and tighter in its handling over the GSi.

I would disagree on the engines though - the twin cam may have it over the single cam for power and torque, but I'm not sure it's quieter like for like, or smoother. Could be the GSi needs a good oil flush and some quality 10W40 in it. Or it could have been ragged (as we say in the West Midlands) and there's some engine work required. The GTI has a closer-ratio box on the manual versions, so it is up at around 4,000 rpm on the motorway whereas the SOHC is only pulling 3,500 which cuts engine drone. If you're talking Honda R8s only, the SOHC auto is the best as a motorway cruiser - only about 3,200 at 70mph.
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#110 Post by ROVER-25X » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:14 pm

Just cought up with this from Aug-Now, great read, shame about the bump but its getting there. :clapping

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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#111 Post by lemix1924 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:48 am

I have 4 front RH wings (short indicator) ASB38004 offering @ 76,48€ each including vat. Shipping not included, would be more tha happy to offer combined shipping to sell as a lot. Also available 2 genuine @175,72€ and 2 aftermarket @ 77,24 RH long indicator ASB38030.

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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#112 Post by 1234dist » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:21 am

Seen in all its multicoloured splender this morning near Tesco ;)
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#113 Post by burtonm » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:15 am

Yep, can't miss it can you? That'll have been my mum, she's taken a real shine to it, even more so than my GSi.

(Also it's being kept on the drive while I can't select P so she just uses it as her car is blocked in).
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#114 Post by burtonm » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:32 pm

Made a minor upgrade today:

ImageIMG_20180927_132819_842 by max_burton, on Flickr

a NOS wooden heater control panel from a bubble dash. Needs a little adjustment but it looks great, right at home.
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#115 Post by The Origina lNom » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:09 pm

I have a new short indicator if you need one ?
I'll check which side tonight £15 delivered.
PM me if you're interested

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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#116 Post by burtonm » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:47 pm

I'm good for wings now, thanks though!
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#117 Post by burtonm » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:58 pm

The GSi is going to be put up for sale, to generate funds to improve my GTi. GTi needs a head gasket, cambelt, work on the gearbox, and a better fitting exhuast.

GSi is spot on and rot free but surplus to requirements.

Who was it that was looking for an auto R8? I tried to reply to the PM thread but it just sent the message back to me :S
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#118 Post by 1234dist » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:14 am

usually gbs100 :laughing2
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#119 Post by Rover dave » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:39 pm

burtonm wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:32 pm
Made a minor upgrade today:

ImageIMG_20180927_132819_842 by max_burton, on Flickr

a NOS wooden heater control panel from a bubble dash. Needs a little adjustment but it looks great, right at home.
That does look good :clapping . Do you have to take half the dash out to do this or is it a quick job?

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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#120 Post by burtonm » Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:48 pm

Rover dave wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:39 pm

That does look good :clapping . Do you have to take half the dash out to do this or is it a quick job?
Centre console trim out - 4 screws, two each side (one down by the gear lever and one halfway up round the side of the fan controls and radio), & pull forward.

Then the knobs need taking off the heater control panel - shouldn't take long as you just pull/lever. There are screws hiding behind them, as well as four obvious ones round the outside.
Unplug the multiplug that goes to the PCB for the backlighting.
A NOS heater panel might not come with the backlighting PCB attached - if not just unclip the white backing plate from both heater panels using the tabs round the outside, and swap them over. Otherwise you have to break a load of plastic rivets to get it off, and there's no easy way to get it back on.
Bear in mind the cutout for the a/c button is missing on the wooden panel, if you have a/c.

And then as Haynes say, refitting is the reverse of removal!

Nothing much like this is hard on R8s. :)
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