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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#91 Post by burtonm » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:51 pm

Craig Cheetham has offered me most of a front end for £beer - that's good, as I can get it for that and a tank of diesel - managed to borrow an estate as a parts hauler. Alas the front wings are goosed apparently, so I may still be looking for those unless I can use them as repair sections. Passenger short indicator wing in particular.

The GTi is going all '70s with a black bonnet for a while!
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#92 Post by montegoman » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:19 am

Rimmers did have short indicator wings in stock.
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#93 Post by burtonm » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:56 pm

For £60 though! :unsure
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#94 Post by lemix1924 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:20 pm

I can send you a genuine new old stock LH short indicator (XBD10035) for 54€ no extra charges.

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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#95 Post by 1234dist » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:16 pm

He needs the wing, not the indicator.

Your biggest battle with the UK market is we can buy a complete car for £100 and it's that main reason why they are the prefered classic because you can do a restoration on a budget.
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#96 Post by richard moss » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:23 am

burtonm wrote:
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For £60 though! :unsure
For a genuine wing, that is a bargain
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#97 Post by lemix1924 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:48 am

Excuse me if I got this wrong, not meaning to confuse, but the price I quoted is for an indicator light, NOT a wing (that's why I include a part number). I don't have GENUINE wings in stock, I can source some a/m ones, these would cost about 100€ shipped. I have some RH ones in stock, 4 I think, need to check how many are genuine and how many a/m. I can do them for 139€ shipped, or better if combined.
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#98 Post by burtonm » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:24 pm

Well, I now have a pair of wings, rust free, they were £50 delivered.

They look to be in a shade of Nightfire, and the body coloured rubbing strips with black inserts suggest they're off a 216GTi 3dr.

Going to slap them on soon, in an effort to get the car mobile again, and vacate the garage.

I've been on holiday in France so there's not too much to report, but my dad has been hard at work straightening the body out, and also continuing to mess with the main relay.

He's only gone and fixed it - it transpires that a wire had burned out in the dead relay, rendering it useless. The mystery NOS relay with a different multiplug was taken apart, and the innards/relays swapped over - I'm not quite sure what he did, but he commented that the later Pektron relay was of a better construction than the Mitsuba unit.

As I mentioned, the NOS relay came in an MG Rover box, but the part numbers lead to a 1999 Honda Civic 1.4: this made me suspect the relay was for an early HH-R 400 with a D16 - as we know, it is to all intents and purposes the same car as the 5 door 95-01 Civic.

I shall find some more information out on what he did as this may well be of interest to some members of the club/forum, as the main relays for these later Civics seem to be a bit easier to get hold of than the R8 original ones - though a dead R8 unit is needed as well as the Civic unit for the repair!
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#99 Post by burtonm » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:03 pm

Before:

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After:

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spot what's wrong with the picture - and it's not the red wing!

While I was on holiday my dad has been hard at work straightening the front end of the GTi out, then on Tuesday my new wings arrived, off a 216GTi 3dr it appears. Rust free, and even though they're Nightfire, the car looks a whole lot better for being grot free now. The driver's wing was undamaged in the accident, but as both wings were equally rotten, both were replaced, as I'd have had to do that anyway, or treat/sand/fill/prime/paint. Combined with a few bits borrowed from my dormant GSi, I've managed to make a roadworthy car for the time being - more importantly it means I can drive it to Cambs where I'll stick the front end of a dead 216GSi on it, then drive home again. Uncracked bumper, undamaged grille, hockey sticks, lights etc. As it happens both of my grilles are broken.
My mum and I are starting to question whether we really need the GSi now, as we weren't able to make use of it as we'd hoped, and the GTi is shaping up to be in as good, if not better condition - and in a more desirable package.
There's also the side matter of me having a hankering for a Renault 4...
I'll get the front end painted in time, might even go for a full respray as the car would be exceptional inside and out for that. The paint's all that's letting it down now (and a slight hole in one sill).

I rewired the radio too, swapping the incorrectly wired speakers and 12v feeds around - the radio (a Kenwood unit) now sounds really quite good - I was surprised how good in fact. The speakers are working supremely well.
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#100 Post by crepello » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:02 pm

Seems to be a Concerto bonnet?
I'd convinced myself that the contour round the headlamps differed between the siblings, but yours seems to fit well.

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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#101 Post by burtonm » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:18 pm

*laughs*, second person to say that. It's a slightly bent original bonnet that I've stuck a Honda badge on for a joke and to confuse people!
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#102 Post by burtonm » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:27 pm

OK - so it turns out the relays inside the Civic block are actually exchangable with the R8 ones- they have the same footprint and layout but the design is a bit better. By desoldering them from a Civic relay and transplanting them onto an R8 board you can get an improved main relay.

So look out for worn out Civics in scrappers ;)
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#103 Post by montegoman » Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:11 pm

To be honest, I didn't check. I bought a pair last year, one was much cheaper than the other, indicating to me that they had a large stock of the cheaper one.
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#104 Post by burtonm » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:42 am

I'm only seeing left too.

The GTi has really impressed me: it handles better than the GSi - the suspension is smoother - still soft, but it feels like it actually has some performance and pedigree, whereas the GSi just feels a bit awkward when you give it a bit of a challenge - it still performs admirably, enough to annoy the typical BMW driver on the northern Peak District twisties, all while climbing a not inconsiderable hillside in Saddleworth, but compared to the GTi it lacks a certain enthusiasm and confidence in its performance. The GTi manages to be a fun car to drive, engaging, capable and fun, while not taking it too far to the point it feels clinical, like the Honda Prelude I used to own before my GSi. It's a wonderfully well balanced machine, and one I hope to enjoy for many more miles in the future. I find the twincam engine to be a lot smoother too, especially on the motorway, where despite being in the same rev range as the SOHC, it's a completely different beast, much smoother and more manageable.
The GTi's interior is in much better condition too - the seats, while identical, are much more plush and supportive, making me realise those in the GSi are sagging a bit, while still comfortable. In the case of both cars though, I note the seat coverings are better attached to the base than in later cars like my old 216SLi, where they were held on with nothing more than a bit of tension in the fabric and a long plastic clip that eventually gave way, leaving both the covering and sponge beneath feeling loose and wobbly.
Further to that the headlining in the GTi is actually still attached to the roof, and the interior doesn't smell of anything - inside the GSi has an odd musty smell that I just can't get rid of - whatever I do, it always comes back.
The GSi doesn't have anything wrong with it, it's a good car in every respect: it's just that the GTi performs better in every way, except where the paint is lacquered and has tired out, unlike the GSi's solid colour.

To these ends the GSi will be up for sale soon: while a tidy and low mileage car I know it isn't worth much, and as such I'd hope for around £450. It isn't the cheapest around, admittedly, but it's a good, running car in good condition and I hope it can go onwards to a new home where it continues to be preserved.
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Re: 1990 416GSi & 1991 416GTi

#105 Post by Johnny 216GSi » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:22 pm

burtonm wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:42 am
I'm only seeing left too.

The GTi has really impressed me: it handles better than the GSi - the suspension is smoother - still soft, but it feels like it actually has some performance and pedigree, whereas the GSi just feels a bit awkward when you give it a bit of a challenge - it still performs admirably, enough to annoy the typical BMW driver on the northern Peak District twisties, all while climbing a not inconsiderable hillside in Saddleworth, but compared to the GTi it lacks a certain enthusiasm and confidence in its performance. The GTi manages to be a fun car to drive, engaging, capable and fun, while not taking it too far to the point it feels clinical, like the Honda Prelude I used to own before my GSi. It's a wonderfully well balanced machine, and one I hope to enjoy for many more miles in the future. I find the twincam engine to be a lot smoother too, especially on the motorway, where despite being in the same rev range as the SOHC, it's a completely different beast, much smoother and more manageable.
The GTi's interior is in much better condition too - the seats, while identical, are much more plush and supportive, making me realise those in the GSi are sagging a bit, while still comfortable. In the case of both cars though, I note the seat coverings are better attached to the base than in later cars like my old 216SLi, where they were held on with nothing more than a bit of tension in the fabric and a long plastic clip that eventually gave way, leaving both the covering and sponge beneath feeling loose and wobbly.
Further to that the headlining in the GTi is actually still attached to the roof, and the interior doesn't smell of anything - inside the GSi has an odd musty smell that I just can't get rid of - whatever I do, it always comes back.
The GSi doesn't have anything wrong with it, it's a good car in every respect: it's just that the GTi performs better in every way, except where the paint is lacquered and has tired out, unlike the GSi's solid colour.

To these ends the GSi will be up for sale soon: while a tidy and low mileage car I know it isn't worth much, and as such I'd hope for around £450. It isn't the cheapest around, admittedly, but it's a good, running car in good condition and I hope it can go onwards to a new home where it continues to be preserved.
The GTi has a larger diameter ARB front and rear and stiffer front springs. The GTi is also guaranteed to have all-round discs whereas late GSi cars had rear drums.

It's only right that you're feeling the car is more precise and tighter in its handling over the GSi.

I would disagree on the engines though - the twin cam may have it over the single cam for power and torque, but I'm not sure it's quieter like for like, or smoother. Could be the GSi needs a good oil flush and some quality 10W40 in it. Or it could have been ragged (as we say in the West Midlands) and there's some engine work required. The GTI has a closer-ratio box on the manual versions, so it is up at around 4,000 rpm on the motorway whereas the SOHC is only pulling 3,500 which cuts engine drone. If you're talking Honda R8s only, the SOHC auto is the best as a motorway cruiser - only about 3,200 at 70mph.
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