London ULEZ and certificate of compliance

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If this works it will be a game changer for the daily classic drivers in London
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…IF the car can be shown to comply with Euro 4 ULEZ requirements (or E6 if diesel, which as I understand it is the more difficult of the two!).

I’m not sure what the situation with early E1 K-Series cars is, so the owners of these may still be out of luck, unfortunately. S1 Elise models which have managed to secure exemption are E2.
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I hope the E1 cars could pass too or develop a way to get them to pass
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I've been doing a bit of investigative work with some of the engineers involved in emissions certification at Rover Group and then MG Rover, and it's not good news, I'm afraid...

These are the London ULEZ requirements


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For petrol K-series, pre-c.2000 our cars met EU2, after c.2000 they met EU3. The only K-series car to be certified, by MGR, to EU4 was the last MG TF LE500, and then only the 135. The EU2/3 change point was the introduction of the MEMS3 engine management system.

So, there is no Rover or MGR documentation to try to find that would allow owners to demonstrate compliance for any of our cars leaving the only possible route for owners is therefore the Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) method - see earlier in this thread - but this would require the fitment of a newer catalyst, a remap and maybe more. This is on top of the IVA fee. Should anyone wanting to pursue this, the best people to talk to are kmaps - https://www.kmaps.co.uk/

This fits with stories about some k-series Lotus Elise owners achieving compliance as the value:cost ratio for one of these is significantly higher than it is for a 25, 45 and Streetwise or a ZR/ZS.

If someone does try to do this, please keep us informed on how you get on :angel

For diesel L-series cars there is no known route, as the engine was never developed to meet EU6 and there is no interest in doing so, in light of the recent changes in public and governmental views on diesel.
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But the good news is......

The first SD3s reach their 40th birthdays next year and will become exempt from ULEZ, congestion charge, VED and MoT.
And all other club cars will follow as they turn 40 years old :D
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220 GSi turbo wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:03 pm But the good news is......

The first SD3s reach their 40th birthdays next year and will become exempt from ULEZ, congestion charge, VED and MoT.
And all other club cars will follow as they turn 40 years old :D
Very good point :thumbup1
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Here is a development, neatly summed up on the Furious Driving YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kojdm49xx0w - watch from 11mins in, if you don't need a guided tour of a 25.

It suggests that you CAN drive some Rover and MG models in ULEZ zones without paying the congestion charge if the V5 shows the vehicle emissions limits that meet the zone's emissions requirements. This would seem to be late model 25s and 45s, plus their MG cousins.

Does anyone have a V5 with this info on so that we can see what it looks like?

This is what the limits are:

Petrol cars had to produce CO <1.0g/km, Total Hydro Carbon (THCs) < 0.10g/km and NOx emissions of <0.08g/km.

Diesels had to produce CO <0.50g/km, Hydro Carbon + NOx <0.30g/km and Particulate Matter <0.025g/km

This was the intro point for DPF (Diesel Particulate Filters), so it is unlikely that the L-series diesel will pass this but K-petrols seem to.

Has anyone had any more info on this ?

Interestingly though, the online TFL checker - https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/check-your-vehicle/ - says that this 25's reg still attracts a daily congestion charge.... now I'm confused :mouthshut
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We have three L-series R3s in the family:

2003 25 5-door with 99PS. CO 0.038g/km, HC 0.211g/km, NOx 0.375g/km, HC+NOx 0.586g/km, Particulates 0.029g/km.

2005 Streetwise 5-door with 99PS. CO 0.205g/km, HC not stated, NOx 0.477g/km, HC+NOx 0.477g/km, particulates 0.024g/km.

2005 ZR 3-door with 113PS. CO 0.150g/km, HC not stated, NOx 0.360g/km, HC+NOx 0.395g/km, particulates 0.025g/km.
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To further muddy the waters, when I enter the registration number of my daughter's 2002 R25 1.4 into the TFL Vehicle Checker it says: Compliant🤔
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Just to bring this back up - it seems Elise S1 owners on SELOC are achieving ULEZ exemption by purchasing a CoC from Lotus (£180! :bored ) and sending a copy of it, together with their V5, to TFL.
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