Power Steering When New

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Power Steering When New

#1 Post by Paul_1978_yorks » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:44 pm

A query cropped up on the club Twitter today asking which models came without power steering as standard, particularly in the early days.
I assumed it was just the K-series base models and those with the 8v engines.

Did any K-series 16v come without power steering or any Honda manual gearboxes? (Aware that Honda autos had p/s as standard).
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Re: Power Steering When New

#2 Post by StubbornPatriot » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:48 pm

I have 2 216 GSis that are both Honda powered without power steering.
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Re: Power Steering When New

#3 Post by Paul_1978_yorks » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:56 pm

StubbornPatriot wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:48 pm
I have 2 216 GSis that are both Honda powered without power steering.
Well you learn something new everyday!
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Re: Power Steering When New

#4 Post by Dorchester » Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:05 pm

My parents' 1991 214Gsi 16v (Rover K engine) had power steering but I assume that their previous 1988 213 8v (Honda engine) was without.
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#5 Post by montegoman » Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:19 pm

It wasn't standard on any 200s at launch. It was only standard on the 416GTi at the time of the launch of the 400.
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#6 Post by Paul_1978_yorks » Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:30 pm

montegoman wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:19 pm
It wasn't standard on any 200s at launch. It was only standard on the 416GTi at the time of the launch of the 400.
Well well! Never knew that, everyday’s a school day :)
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#7 Post by montegoman » Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:27 pm

Interestingly power steering was never an option on the earlier SD3 200. It was available on the equivalent Honda Ballade but because there wasn't physically room to fit it on the 216 model with the Rover S series engine shoehorned in the engine bay it was felt wrong to offer it on the smaller engined 213 models.
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Re: Power Steering When New

#8 Post by henryiett » Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:21 pm

Like ik the 214 r8 you could spec from 1990 with power steering tbh I intend to get the anti lock brakes and the air con retrofitted
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Re: Power Steering When New

#9 Post by Paul_1978_yorks » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:37 am

montegoman wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:19 pm
It wasn't standard on any 200s at launch. It was only standard on the 416GTi at the time of the launch of the 400.
Thanks again Jeremy - how about later in production, say 1994/95?
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Re: Power Steering When New

#10 Post by GTiJohn » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:25 am

Rover got the forecast for uptake of PAS rather wrong for the launch of the R8.

It was based on take-rates for Maestro/Montego and didn't take enough account of the different appeal of the R8.

PAS was expected to be only a 30% fit and was an option fit but it soon became obvious that the marketplace and customers for the car were quite different, so the production capacity for PAS racks , the limiting component, at TRW was increased. Unfortunately this wasn't a quick job.

It was always planned as standard fitment on derivatives such as the 216 (TC)/416GTi and the heavier-engined cars such as the 220/420.

Regarding PAS fitment on SD3, Alan Matthews, who worked on the project, confirmed that it was the 'interference' of the diff casing and the PAS rack body on LHD-derivatives that was the problem. There just wasn't the space to move the engine forward to fix it - the Rover packaging guys were very good at their job, just look how tight the clearances are on the M-Series in R8

It was felt that because the 216 couldn't be offered with PAS, then the 213 couldn't be either... Honda of course didn't have the same problem
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Re: Power Steering When New

#11 Post by Mr Teddy Bear » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:46 pm

montegoman wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:19 pm
It wasn't standard on any 200s at launch. It was only standard on the 416GTi at the time of the launch of the 400.
My 414 with 15" wheels is heavy to steer and that's with a power rack; I remember that my early 216GSi didn't have P/S with 14"lattice alloys and that was heavy at parking speeds. :sad
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Re: Power Steering When New

#12 Post by carfixmobile » Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:17 pm

I have just retro-fitted PAS to my non PAS 1990 216Gsi manual. (Honda engine)

When I was much younger and was lucky to have a company car (way back in 1990) I remember ordering a Rover 216 Gsi manual. I also ordered the extra cost "3 feature Sports Pack" which included PAS, 14" alloy wheels and a R681 radio cassette.

There was also a three feature "Luxury Pack" which included PAS, leather seats, electric rear windows.

Those were the days. :)

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Re: Power Steering When New

#13 Post by alviseven » Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:49 pm

Both of our early phase one cars were non PAS cars but both now sport this rover option "stolen" from later cars. Pretty certain the early cars were not generally fitted unless auto till about 1992 ish. All the later cars seem to have it as standard.
Easy to retro fit really- biggest pain is getting the crank pulley with the extra pulley on. The one car got fitted when the wife was pregnant and it was case of either the car gets it fitted or it goes - or I have your car. "Stole" the parts off an abandoned car in the neighbours car left it with no rear subframe in place. The crank bolt took me and a big fellow - long bar, starter ring jammed with lever and some heat to get shifted and when it did sounded like a shotgun going off - never heard anything like it. Then was finger loose of course. Local yobs decided to pinch the car for scrap about six months after my lifting of parts and were surprised to find that the car did not roll out of the garage as expected and dropped the front end to the ground and they had to work harder to get the remains out. Funnily enough never did get around to admitting that I had relieved the car of the parts I had but the guy was actually quite pleased they had got rid of the car for him! Second car as done later and has parts from about four cars to make up the kit.
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Re: Power Steering When New

#14 Post by henryiett » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:50 pm

Like if you take up to rover revival I'm pretty sure they would be able to retrofit it quite easily as they are experts on these cars
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Re: Power Steering When New

#15 Post by Dorchester » Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:36 pm

My parents' 1991 214Gsi LHD (model 1992) was fitted with steering power from factory.
The only problem they had in that very reliable car was the alarm: it was retrofitted by the dealer a short while after the sale but never worked properly, sounding from time to time for no reason when the car had been locked. Finally fed up they asked the dealer to take it off. :mad
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