Reduce Vehicle Excise Duty by 50%
Reduce Vehicle Excise Duty by 50%
Reduce Vehicle Excise Duty by 50% for vehicles aged 20 to 39 years - Petitions https://share.google/kAlH7yb7B1pzdibjU
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Johnny 216GSi
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Re: Reduce Vehicle Excise Duty by 50%
Brilliant idea. I've added my support.
Might be worth making sure every club sees this, or perhaps get it circulated by the FBHVC?
Might be worth making sure every club sees this, or perhaps get it circulated by the FBHVC?
Rover 216GSi K reg. Flame Red over Tempest Grey
Re: Reduce Vehicle Excise Duty by 50%
Signed. Good idea, and a well presented argument. Far too many sound, usable vehicles with many more miles of life left in them have been lost to short sighted scrappage schemes. From many perspectives, it makes sense to keep an existing vehicle on the road - the fact that so many of us are running ‘old’ cars proves that, with a bit of effort, it’s not impossible.
Unfortunately, as you get older, you tend to become more cynical, and I can see at least a couple of reasons why this may not get very far.
Firstly, motorists have been cash cows for years – the treasury will simply say this is unaffordable (despite being a drop in the ocean compared to the amounts being squandered elsewhere).
Secondly, the obsession with ‘net zero’ means, if anything, the opposite is more likely to happen – in the fullness of time they’re more likely to try to force ‘dirty, polluting’ IC engined vehicles off the road, or at least, make it more difficult to run them instead of easier.
I hope I’m wrong but I think no matter how logical the argument, how many facts and figures are presented, how much the restoration sector adds to the economy etc etc – despite all the positives, we could be facing an uphill struggle to fight our corner in future. But we have to try, so it’s well worth signing this petition.
Unfortunately, as you get older, you tend to become more cynical, and I can see at least a couple of reasons why this may not get very far.
Firstly, motorists have been cash cows for years – the treasury will simply say this is unaffordable (despite being a drop in the ocean compared to the amounts being squandered elsewhere).
Secondly, the obsession with ‘net zero’ means, if anything, the opposite is more likely to happen – in the fullness of time they’re more likely to try to force ‘dirty, polluting’ IC engined vehicles off the road, or at least, make it more difficult to run them instead of easier.
I hope I’m wrong but I think no matter how logical the argument, how many facts and figures are presented, how much the restoration sector adds to the economy etc etc – despite all the positives, we could be facing an uphill struggle to fight our corner in future. But we have to try, so it’s well worth signing this petition.
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itcaptainslow
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Re: Reduce Vehicle Excise Duty by 50%
I fear you’re right Steve, but if you don’t try, you’re guaranteed to fail!SteveB wrote: ↑Mon Feb 16, 2026 11:18 am Signed. Good idea, and a well presented argument. Far too many sound, usable vehicles with many more miles of life left in them have been lost to short sighted scrappage schemes. From many perspectives, it makes sense to keep an existing vehicle on the road - the fact that so many of us are running ‘old’ cars proves that, with a bit of effort, it’s not impossible.
Unfortunately, as you get older, you tend to become more cynical, and I can see at least a couple of reasons why this may not get very far.
Firstly, motorists have been cash cows for years – the treasury will simply say this is unaffordable (despite being a drop in the ocean compared to the amounts being squandered elsewhere).
Secondly, the obsession with ‘net zero’ means, if anything, the opposite is more likely to happen – in the fullness of time they’re more likely to try to force ‘dirty, polluting’ IC engined vehicles off the road, or at least, make it more difficult to run them instead of easier.
I hope I’m wrong but I think no matter how logical the argument, how many facts and figures are presented, how much the restoration sector adds to the economy etc etc – despite all the positives, we could be facing an uphill struggle to fight our corner in future. But we have to try, so it’s well worth signing this petition.
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Mr Teddy Bear
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I've just signed, 360 for a 216 that perhaps covers 2,000 miles a year is criminal.
It makes a 214/414 make a lot more economic sense!
It makes a 214/414 make a lot more economic sense!
Teddy Bear
216 Sli SRS Charcoal Met 1996
214Si Silver? Tempest Grey 1993
216 Sli SRS Charcoal Met 1996
214Si Silver? Tempest Grey 1993
Re: Reduce Vehicle Excise Duty by 50%
Exactly. For the same tax you could be running a 2 ton 6.75 litre Royce, which is crazy. The 1549cc changeover point does seem a bit arbitrary.
From the VED point of view there's no incentive to keep a 1.6 on the road, so hats off to all those who do.
From the VED point of view there's no incentive to keep a 1.6 on the road, so hats off to all those who do.
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Stan Thomas
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I take on board SteveB's logical response that the authorities will most likely oppose any suggestion to reduce revenue derived from vehicle excise duty - BUT - consider this!
If it is possible to instigate a system of charging electric vehicles (no pun intended) three pence a mile - then surely the same system could be used for petrol and diesel vehicle over a certain age which do not exceed a given mileage per annum?
By way of illustration - say the 50% reduction of V.E.D. for vehicles between 20 and 39 years (as proposed), but which do not exceed (say) 10.000 miles per year? This would encapsulate and recognise our "historic" vehicles which predominantly do not cover excessive mileages.
Currently, I pay £360 p.a. for my GSi 420, which does not exceed 3000/3500 miles p.a. 'cos I'm a wrinkly.
Regards to all.
If it is possible to instigate a system of charging electric vehicles (no pun intended) three pence a mile - then surely the same system could be used for petrol and diesel vehicle over a certain age which do not exceed a given mileage per annum?
By way of illustration - say the 50% reduction of V.E.D. for vehicles between 20 and 39 years (as proposed), but which do not exceed (say) 10.000 miles per year? This would encapsulate and recognise our "historic" vehicles which predominantly do not cover excessive mileages.
Currently, I pay £360 p.a. for my GSi 420, which does not exceed 3000/3500 miles p.a. 'cos I'm a wrinkly.
Regards to all.
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BlairHobson
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Re: Reduce Vehicle Excise Duty by 50%
Years ago there was a proposal to get rid of VED altogether and transfer the tax to fuel duty. But then they realised they could use VED to regulate what cars people bought by changing the VED rates to suit whatever was the "in thing" at the time to reduce emissions. Perhaps eventually they'll get rid of it when EVs become the dominant numbers.
As regards the petition, I do feel it's a "no chance" one. The reason the over 40s one works is that the majority of owners don't use them as "dailies" (I know some do, but they are not in the majority), the trouble with the under 40s, especially the 20 to 30 age range, is that many are still used as a cheap method of getting around and not as "classics", just look in your area at the number of 51 to 55 (2001-5) reg cars there are! Bear in mind as well that the current VED rates are now penalising large engined cars and you'll see they don't want to encourage the use of cars like that RR Steve mentioned! One thing they could do is apply it to pre 2001 (i.e. on the old, two level, VED rate), that would make most cars affected at least 25 years old.
As regards the petition, I do feel it's a "no chance" one. The reason the over 40s one works is that the majority of owners don't use them as "dailies" (I know some do, but they are not in the majority), the trouble with the under 40s, especially the 20 to 30 age range, is that many are still used as a cheap method of getting around and not as "classics", just look in your area at the number of 51 to 55 (2001-5) reg cars there are! Bear in mind as well that the current VED rates are now penalising large engined cars and you'll see they don't want to encourage the use of cars like that RR Steve mentioned! One thing they could do is apply it to pre 2001 (i.e. on the old, two level, VED rate), that would make most cars affected at least 25 years old.
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Re: Reduce Vehicle Excise Duty by 50%
Well, I signed it last week and received the following 'reply' today:
The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Reduce Vehicle Excise Duty by 50% for vehicles aged 20 to 39 years”.
Government responded:
The Government has no plans to reduce Vehicle Excise Duty liabilities for vehicles aged 20 to 39 years. The Government keeps all taxes under review and the Chancellor makes decisions at fiscal events.
Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) is a tax on vehicles used or kept on public roads. Different rates apply to cars, vans, and motorcycles, and the rate for each vehicle is calculated according to a range of factors, such as its date of first registration, weight, or CO2 emissions.
Cars registered before 1 March 2001 pay VED annually based on engine size. Since 2001, the tax system has encouraged the uptake of cars with low carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions to help meet the UK's legally binding climate targets. Cars first registered between 1 March 2001 and 31 March 2017 pay VED annually according to CO2 emissions. From 1 April 2017, a reformed VED system was introduced for new cars. The changes in April 2017 were applied to new cars only, meaning that the tax treatment of existing cars was not impacted.
The majority of an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle's emissions come from fuel production and tailpipe emissions. The Department for Transport's 2022 lifecycle analysis shows that the manufacturing emissions for a medium sized petrol or diesel car are estimated to be less than 20% of the lifetime emissions of the vehicle (2020-2030 scenarios). The lifecycle analysis can be found here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... d-vehicles.
At Budget 2014 the Government at the time announced that it would introduce a rolling 40-year exemption from Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) for classic cars. This means that currently vehicles constructed before 1 January 1985 are exempt from paying VED. From 1 April 2026 vehicles constructed before 1 January 1986 will become exempt from VED.
The law does not specifically define a vehicle as historic or classic for registration purposes, and it is widely recognised that there are many factors other than age which influence whether a car is considered classic. The Government at the time therefore set 40 years as being a fair cut-off date to distinguish classic cars from older cars.
Revenue from motoring taxes helps ensure we can continue to fund the vital public services and infrastructure that people and families across the UK expect. For example, by 2029/30, the government will commit over £2 billion annually for local authorities to repair, renew and fix potholes on their roads – doubling funding since coming into office. This record level of funding will enable the government to exceed its manifesto commitment to fix an additional 1 million potholes per year by the end of the Parliament.
While there are no current plans to reduce VED for cars aged 20 to 39 years, the Government keeps all taxes under review, and the Chancellor makes decisions on tax policy at fiscal events.
HM Treasury
Click this link to view the response online:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petition ... sponse=yes
The Petitions Committee will take a look at this petition and its response. They can press the government for action and gather evidence. If this petition reaches 100,000 signatures, the Committee will consider it for a debate.
The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee
Thanks,
The Petitions Team
House of Commons
The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Reduce Vehicle Excise Duty by 50% for vehicles aged 20 to 39 years”.
Government responded:
The Government has no plans to reduce Vehicle Excise Duty liabilities for vehicles aged 20 to 39 years. The Government keeps all taxes under review and the Chancellor makes decisions at fiscal events.
Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) is a tax on vehicles used or kept on public roads. Different rates apply to cars, vans, and motorcycles, and the rate for each vehicle is calculated according to a range of factors, such as its date of first registration, weight, or CO2 emissions.
Cars registered before 1 March 2001 pay VED annually based on engine size. Since 2001, the tax system has encouraged the uptake of cars with low carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions to help meet the UK's legally binding climate targets. Cars first registered between 1 March 2001 and 31 March 2017 pay VED annually according to CO2 emissions. From 1 April 2017, a reformed VED system was introduced for new cars. The changes in April 2017 were applied to new cars only, meaning that the tax treatment of existing cars was not impacted.
The majority of an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle's emissions come from fuel production and tailpipe emissions. The Department for Transport's 2022 lifecycle analysis shows that the manufacturing emissions for a medium sized petrol or diesel car are estimated to be less than 20% of the lifetime emissions of the vehicle (2020-2030 scenarios). The lifecycle analysis can be found here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... d-vehicles.
At Budget 2014 the Government at the time announced that it would introduce a rolling 40-year exemption from Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) for classic cars. This means that currently vehicles constructed before 1 January 1985 are exempt from paying VED. From 1 April 2026 vehicles constructed before 1 January 1986 will become exempt from VED.
The law does not specifically define a vehicle as historic or classic for registration purposes, and it is widely recognised that there are many factors other than age which influence whether a car is considered classic. The Government at the time therefore set 40 years as being a fair cut-off date to distinguish classic cars from older cars.
Revenue from motoring taxes helps ensure we can continue to fund the vital public services and infrastructure that people and families across the UK expect. For example, by 2029/30, the government will commit over £2 billion annually for local authorities to repair, renew and fix potholes on their roads – doubling funding since coming into office. This record level of funding will enable the government to exceed its manifesto commitment to fix an additional 1 million potholes per year by the end of the Parliament.
While there are no current plans to reduce VED for cars aged 20 to 39 years, the Government keeps all taxes under review, and the Chancellor makes decisions on tax policy at fiscal events.
HM Treasury
Click this link to view the response online:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petition ... sponse=yes
The Petitions Committee will take a look at this petition and its response. They can press the government for action and gather evidence. If this petition reaches 100,000 signatures, the Committee will consider it for a debate.
The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee
Thanks,
The Petitions Team
House of Commons
Re: Reduce Vehicle Excise Duty by 50%
SteveB wrote: ↑Mon Feb 16, 2026 11:18 am Signed. Good idea, and a well presented argument. Far too many sound, usable vehicles with many more miles of life left in them have been lost to short sighted scrappage schemes. From many perspectives, it makes sense to keep an existing vehicle on the road - the fact that so many of us are running ‘old’ cars proves that, with a bit of effort, it’s not impossible.
Unfortunately, as you get older, you tend to become more cynical, and I can see at least a couple of reasons why this may not get very far.
Firstly, motorists have been cash cows for years – the treasury will simply say this is unaffordable (despite being a drop in the ocean compared to the amounts being squandered elsewhere).
Secondly, the obsession with ‘net zero’ means, if anything, the opposite is more likely to happen – in the fullness of time they’re more likely to try to force ‘dirty, polluting’ IC engined vehicles off the road, or at least, make it more difficult to run them instead of easier.
I hope I’m wrong but I think no matter how logical the argument, how many facts and figures are presented, how much the restoration sector adds to the economy etc etc – despite all the positives, we could be facing an uphill struggle to fight our corner in future. But we have to try, so it’s well worth signing this petition.
You don't have to get older to get more cynical because as you say motorists are just seen as easy money to the authorities. But still worth supporting
Rover 214si 1990
