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*laughs*, second person to say that. It's a slightly bent original bonnet that I've stuck a Honda badge on for a joke and to confuse people!
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OK - so it turns out the relays inside the Civic block are actually exchangable with the R8 ones- they have the same footprint and layout but the design is a bit better. By desoldering them from a Civic relay and transplanting them onto an R8 board you can get an improved main relay.

So look out for worn out Civics in scrappers ;)
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To be honest, I didn't check. I bought a pair last year, one was much cheaper than the other, indicating to me that they had a large stock of the cheaper one.
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I'm only seeing left too.

The GTi has really impressed me: it handles better than the GSi - the suspension is smoother - still soft, but it feels like it actually has some performance and pedigree, whereas the GSi just feels a bit awkward when you give it a bit of a challenge - it still performs admirably, enough to annoy the typical BMW driver on the northern Peak District twisties, all while climbing a not inconsiderable hillside in Saddleworth, but compared to the GTi it lacks a certain enthusiasm and confidence in its performance. The GTi manages to be a fun car to drive, engaging, capable and fun, while not taking it too far to the point it feels clinical, like the Honda Prelude I used to own before my GSi. It's a wonderfully well balanced machine, and one I hope to enjoy for many more miles in the future. I find the twincam engine to be a lot smoother too, especially on the motorway, where despite being in the same rev range as the SOHC, it's a completely different beast, much smoother and more manageable.
The GTi's interior is in much better condition too - the seats, while identical, are much more plush and supportive, making me realise those in the GSi are sagging a bit, while still comfortable. In the case of both cars though, I note the seat coverings are better attached to the base than in later cars like my old 216SLi, where they were held on with nothing more than a bit of tension in the fabric and a long plastic clip that eventually gave way, leaving both the covering and sponge beneath feeling loose and wobbly.
Further to that the headlining in the GTi is actually still attached to the roof, and the interior doesn't smell of anything - inside the GSi has an odd musty smell that I just can't get rid of - whatever I do, it always comes back.
The GSi doesn't have anything wrong with it, it's a good car in every respect: it's just that the GTi performs better in every way, except where the paint is lacquered and has tired out, unlike the GSi's solid colour.

To these ends the GSi will be up for sale soon: while a tidy and low mileage car I know it isn't worth much, and as such I'd hope for around £450. It isn't the cheapest around, admittedly, but it's a good, running car in good condition and I hope it can go onwards to a new home where it continues to be preserved.
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burtonm wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:42 am I'm only seeing left too.

The GTi has really impressed me: it handles better than the GSi - the suspension is smoother - still soft, but it feels like it actually has some performance and pedigree, whereas the GSi just feels a bit awkward when you give it a bit of a challenge - it still performs admirably, enough to annoy the typical BMW driver on the northern Peak District twisties, all while climbing a not inconsiderable hillside in Saddleworth, but compared to the GTi it lacks a certain enthusiasm and confidence in its performance. The GTi manages to be a fun car to drive, engaging, capable and fun, while not taking it too far to the point it feels clinical, like the Honda Prelude I used to own before my GSi. It's a wonderfully well balanced machine, and one I hope to enjoy for many more miles in the future. I find the twincam engine to be a lot smoother too, especially on the motorway, where despite being in the same rev range as the SOHC, it's a completely different beast, much smoother and more manageable.
The GTi's interior is in much better condition too - the seats, while identical, are much more plush and supportive, making me realise those in the GSi are sagging a bit, while still comfortable. In the case of both cars though, I note the seat coverings are better attached to the base than in later cars like my old 216SLi, where they were held on with nothing more than a bit of tension in the fabric and a long plastic clip that eventually gave way, leaving both the covering and sponge beneath feeling loose and wobbly.
Further to that the headlining in the GTi is actually still attached to the roof, and the interior doesn't smell of anything - inside the GSi has an odd musty smell that I just can't get rid of - whatever I do, it always comes back.
The GSi doesn't have anything wrong with it, it's a good car in every respect: it's just that the GTi performs better in every way, except where the paint is lacquered and has tired out, unlike the GSi's solid colour.

To these ends the GSi will be up for sale soon: while a tidy and low mileage car I know it isn't worth much, and as such I'd hope for around £450. It isn't the cheapest around, admittedly, but it's a good, running car in good condition and I hope it can go onwards to a new home where it continues to be preserved.
The GTi has a larger diameter ARB front and rear and stiffer front springs. The GTi is also guaranteed to have all-round discs whereas late GSi cars had rear drums.

It's only right that you're feeling the car is more precise and tighter in its handling over the GSi.

I would disagree on the engines though - the twin cam may have it over the single cam for power and torque, but I'm not sure it's quieter like for like, or smoother. Could be the GSi needs a good oil flush and some quality 10W40 in it. Or it could have been ragged (as we say in the West Midlands) and there's some engine work required. The GTI has a closer-ratio box on the manual versions, so it is up at around 4,000 rpm on the motorway whereas the SOHC is only pulling 3,500 which cuts engine drone. If you're talking Honda R8s only, the SOHC auto is the best as a motorway cruiser - only about 3,200 at 70mph.
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Just cought up with this from Aug-Now, great read, shame about the bump but its getting there. :clapping

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I have 4 front RH wings (short indicator) ASB38004 offering @ 76,48€ each including vat. Shipping not included, would be more tha happy to offer combined shipping to sell as a lot. Also available 2 genuine @175,72€ and 2 aftermarket @ 77,24 RH long indicator ASB38030.

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Seen in all its multicoloured splender this morning near Tesco ;)
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Yep, can't miss it can you? That'll have been my mum, she's taken a real shine to it, even more so than my GSi.

(Also it's being kept on the drive while I can't select P so she just uses it as her car is blocked in).
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Made a minor upgrade today:

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a NOS wooden heater control panel from a bubble dash. Needs a little adjustment but it looks great, right at home.
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