Some Thoughts on the Rover 200/400 R8

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Some Thoughts on the Rover 200/400 R8

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Rover R8 200/400 - A Smart Modern Classic? Today's banger, tomorrow's modern classic?

Some cars are just destined for legendary status as soon as they’ve rolled off the production line, and I’m not talking here about big expensive supercars, I’m talking everyday runabouts. There’s the Mazda MX5, a car that’s sold so well it redefined its class for two-seater roadsters, and in 1989, had the world looking eastwards to learn how to build a reliable fun two-seater sports convertible. Then there’s the Mini, a car with a production run that has spanned over 62 years – synonymous with 60s nostalgia, Britpop and the Italian Job, it’s a masterpiece in timeless design and continues in one form or another to this day. Motoring history is filled to the brim, with examples like this.

And then there’s the Rover 200 – launched probably on a grey Wednesday October morning in a country house in Wiltshire. Synonymous with…. and known by… Well, it was built by the newly formed Rover group. Its selling point? It paired British styling and ergonomics with Japanese reliability. What more could one possibly wish for? Here was an all-round package, a British car with good looks and solid Japanese engineering, and not styled like a triumph Acclaim.

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But despite all that talk of class and reliability, the Rover R8 200/400 will probably, never ever quite reach those dizzying heights of legendary status. Unlike the Mazda or the humble Mini, there’s not so much of a cult following, and whichever way you try and pitch it the R8 is not a cool car (despite what the good people of the 200 and 400 owners club may have you believe). Yes, famous only for being driven by the browbeaten Richard Bucket, the 200 is ubiquitous, uninspiring. Its tea shelf and bits of wood are a throwback, it probably has more in common with your grandmothers dining room than a mid-size family hatchback. But maybe, that’s OK? And maybe there’s something more to this plucky little hatchback than is given credit for.

Taking that leap of faith, I did the unthinkable. I traded £600 of sterling for one. Its hip to be square right? And there’s no better time to buy than now - because the 1990s are back! There’s Tory sleaze again, Steps are back on tour and Changing Rooms is on the telly! And here is my first reason why you should buy one – anything 1990s is back in. If you’re a millennial, you may remember Pokemon cards – and have you seen how much those things sell for now!? And here’s the thing, this craze is affecting somewhat understated ‘mundane’ family cars, from the 80s and 90s, which are now beginning to command more money in the classic car scene. Go on, take a look, try finding a MK3 Astra or Escort – you’ll see good ones are pitched at 2-3K sometimes more. One reason for this, apart from the 90s nostalgia, is that prices for ‘traditional’ classics like Jags and Porsches have crept up since the pandemic, as such more discerning buyers are now looking towards more modern classics from the 80s and 90s and over the next few years, family saloons, coupes and hatchbacks from this era, are the ones likely to appreciate.


And after 30 years, the original R8 200/400 is beginning to mature into a fine modern classic. It wasn’t too long ago that these were littered all across the streets of Britain, in fact over 600,000 sold over the R8’s 7 year lifespan. Today its estimated that there are about 4,000 R8 Rovers 200 and 400s taxed and in use on UK roads, and this is another reason to buy. The days of picking up a cheap R8 for banger money are finally drawing to a close. In the coming years, the R8 will continue to appreciate, as more car enthusiasts are beginning to consider these as good useable classics, I suspect earlier examples will appreciate first and fastest.

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So besides being good for your pocket, why else would you want one? Well, for starters, there’s still a handful of good ones to choose from, without having to spend big bucks. For the time being, some cracking original cars can still be had for peanuts. These cars tend to be owned by an older, more careful drivers. You should find one with a smorgasbord of main dealer and specialist stamps in the service book, low miles and in good original condition; no need to worry then about holes in the parcel-shelf or dodgy ‘upgrades’ from Halfrauds. One of these should set you back just shy of £1000. Oh be still my beating heart.

I would also argue that these R8s are probably better built, more practical, and more distinguished than their competition. Take the flop of the MK4 Escort, or early Mondeo, both bland cars that lack any real character (sorry ford fans). The MK3 Astra meanwhile, with its bubble shape, may look more modern and come with a few extras, but the overall quality is worse, be warned, buy one and you’ll find yourself swallowed up by a sea of cheap grey scratchy plastic. And before you tell me that I’m being unfair, I recently test drove a 1989 Mercedes 190E, and was left feeling unimpressed. What had I missed here? Of course you are buying here is the badge, and sure they are well built, but I was expecting a bit more to it, It just felt a bit unrefined, the manual gearbox was a bit of a joke and it handled terribly, with its 1.8 engine needing to be revved hard for any acceleration to take place.

The Rover on the other hand I think, is a cut above. But only just. See most family hatchbacks of the 1990s are a bit naff by modern standards, but nonetheless, I think the R8 200 will still cut the mustard. Most models were handsomely equipped. On GSi’s you got an electric sunroof, electric mirrors, windows, a rover cassette radio, power steering, two tone paintwork and.. well that’s about it. Its floating roof and handsome lines all round make it stand out from the competition. I think it has aged remarkably well. The interior is tastefully designed, there is excellent natural light all round, and it is on the whole a very comfortable place to be, with earlier examples you’ll be treated with a real burr walnut trim, that’s right actual wood!

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In terms of performance, none of these will blow your hat off, though if you’re in the market for something with a bit of poke the GTI models with a dual overhead cam are a good place to start. There’s even a convertible, too if you like that kind of thing. If you can discount the inevitability of a head gasket failure, the K series 1.4 and 1.6 16v engines are zippy and economical. But if that doesn’t do it for you, how about some Japanese flavour to your R8, try the Honda 1.6 16v D series engine, somewhat thirstier but has a good revving capability, redlining starts at 6.5K! What you’ll find in any R8 though is a tidy suspension set-up, these things handle with lightness and precision, it probably has something to do with that fully independent 5 link rear suspension set-up. A low centre of gravity means that there isn’t that much body roll and it just grips and grips. Handling aside, the Honda gearbox is nicely weighted and feels snickety. It holds well on the road, and my only grumble would be the gearing between 4th and 5th is too narrow, it can be quite loud and revv hard when cruising at 70.

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We’ve all heard the Rover jokes. Yes bits fall off them, and yes the shut lines are poor and yes it will eventually blow up in your face. But, the R8s I think are a special case here in terms of Rover quality. I think, a slightly different breed to the other stuff. The Japanese influence is clear to see, and this was Rover’s last full attempt at establishing an excellent car, made with a good team, good equipment and a healthy development budget. This model is one of the last and perhaps most important pieces in the British motoring history jigsaw. The thing is, I get it, I do. If your boss were to see you in one, they'd either ridicule you or offer a pay rise.
Buying one of these as a classic will probably never quite get your mates or partner excited, but then I say, more fool them! You’re bound to have good fun in it, there’s a brilliant owners club and lots of good articles with how to guides, look after it and it will serve you for years to come. As Jennifer Warnes put it, “who knows what tomorrow brings?” for the sake of the few remaining R8 200 and 400s, I hope that they’re finally beginning to find a place in the sun.

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I agree with this, it was Rover doing something clever, I am a firm believer the R8 is the best Rover ever. It conquered the market, it was good looking, was reliable earlier on especially. It was comfortable and well built. I like to think of it a under the radar classic
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If you think you can find a MK3 Astra or Escort for 2k keep dreaming :laughing2
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JOHNDQ wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:36 pm If you think you can find a MK3 Astra or Escort for 2k keep dreaming :laughing2
Why would u want to unless they are the performance version
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Excellent write up.

I have run a red 216Gsi as a company car (1989) and three Rover 216 Gsi's (2 red and one blue) since 1992.

Back in 1989 I could have had a choice from a similar sized BMW, Audi, VW, Vauxhall etc. I had a look at all of them at the dealerships but I picked the newly launched Rover. A Gsi with extra goodies (alloy wheels, PAS, electric rear windows)

Once my job changed and I no longer had a company car I chose to get buy my own 216Gsi (a low miles with PAS, alloy wheels etc and guess the colour..red). This was traded in for a new Rover 416Sli (bubble shape) in 1997 and I deeply regret trading in the Gsi.

A few years later (2002) I got a third Gsi (guess the colour!) as a restoration project but life got in the way and it went to the scrapyard (big mistake!).

Finally, back in 2021 and retired, I once again became the proud owner of a 1992 blue Rover 216 Gsi. The mechanics are sound but needs attention to the bodywork.

In between all these Gsi's I have also owned several MG Maestro's, a MK1 Toyota MR2 and two Vauxhall Omega 2.5 V6 Elites' but I still enjoy driving and maintaining the Rover Gsi. Well done Rover for getting this car so right. :)
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I always am shocked how much better the R8 is compared to the Maestro and Montego
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henryiett wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:56 pm
JOHNDQ wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:36 pm If you think you can find a MK3 Astra or Escort for 2k keep dreaming :laughing2
Why would u want to unless they are the performance version
If you wanted a GSI or RS2000 tho you'll be looking you easily 4-6k
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I can't stand them tbh
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I think the two mk3 Ford Escorts that I owned have to be the worst cars design wise that I've owned; I had a 1.3L with a paint run from new, it snapped it's cam belt at 30 something miles and a 1.6 Ghia. That was a nice car let down by a coarse engine and mismatched gear ratio's [horrible in motorway traffic jams] That Ford carb' was frankly an abortion.
I owned a VW Corrado that had more faults so perhaps it's a tie!

I got rid of a Mercedes CLK 230 Sport to return to R8's so that is a statement by itself I think. :angel
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If you had said 10 years earlier than 1990 in 1980 a Rover was more reliable than a Ford people would think you were barmy
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