How many R8's left - do we have a definitive number?

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Re: How many R8's left - do we have a definitive number?

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Thanks for the information but it doesn't tell me anything more than I already know. I know what the letter positions all mean, that's consistent for all models from 89-99, the issue is what the class, bodystyle, engine and transmission letters all decode to for pre-92 cars.

I've reverse engineered what I can, to decode the details for the data I have from the DVLA which is fine for this exercise, but I've not idea if what I've reverse engineered is actually complete because there could be some extinct models that wouldn't show up in the DVLA data.
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tompinney wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 5:57 pm Thanks for the information but it doesn't tell me anything more than I already know.
Did you note the extant, but SORN VIN of my own car on the bottom line? As it's a variant
which hasn't made it into your summary table yet!
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If your car isn't captured there it's likely your's is one of the several hundred cars I'm struggling to parse for any of a number of reasons, but I'll take a look tomorrow and see if I can find it.
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GTIJohn

How many 200 coupe owners does the 200/400 owners club have?
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We currently have 19 paid up club members with coupes.
214SLi H706JPJ (11 yrs of ownership)
214GSi G79XKV (R8 No.1) (9 yrs of ownership)
25GSi 2.0TD KX56KXM Owned from new.
75 2.5 Connoisseur SE Tourer (20 yrs of ownership)
Montego Countryman 2.0i (Back where I belong!)
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montegoman wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 12:05 pm We currently have 19 paid up club members with coupes.
does that figure include me :cool
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tompinney wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 11:47 am Done a bit more work to decode the VINs. Got a much better undertanding of the pre-92 VIN decoding schema now, having reverse engineered from the data I have.

I've still got a good few hundred cars I still haven't properly decoded the VINs for one reason or another, but here is the list as it current stands broken down by model.

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DecodedModel		TAXED	SORN	UNTAXED	UNKNOWN
214 Cabriolet		16	62	2	8
214i			170	487	64	269
214Si			39	115	14	27
216 Cabriolet		247	633	63	170
216 Coupe		124	406	33	68
216GTi			110	163	34	133
216GTi Twin Cam		0	6	0	0
216SLi			24	61	6	26
218 VVC Coupe		48	200	11	23
218SD			6	53	5	23
218SD Turbo		18	122	8	35
218SLD Turbo		1	1	0	0
220 Coupe		31	181	16	21
220 Coupe Turbo		60	263	18	11
220GSi Turbo		3	33	2	1
220GTi			14	62	6	5
220GTi Turbo		4	22	0	1
220Si			18	63	3	11
414Si			67	174	26	79
414SLi			4	37	1	5
416 Tourer		32	92	14	30
416GTi			3	3	0	0
416Si			186	384	72	181
418SD			0	11	1	0
418SD Turbo		38	174	17	75
418SLD			3	11	2	3
418SLD Turbo		5	50	1	13
420GSi Sport Turbo	3	23	3	0
420GSi Turbo		0	9	0	1
420Si			22	74	4	18
The above table doesn't currently make a distinction between 3/5dr 200 variants and likewise for saloon/tourer variants of the 400. The 216's also currently cover both the D-series and K-series and I still need to do a bit more research to make sure I've got the correct crossover point to make a determination between 420 GSi Turbos and Sport Turbos.

Watch this space for more updates.
I see no 220 Gsi :scared
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Vinny1979 wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 1:00 pm I see no 220 Gsi :scared
I did wonder how long it would take someone to notice that. I spotted it not long after I posted the table while further refining the data.

I'm now at the point where I have successfully parsed all of the data except for 23 vehicles due to completely garbled VINs, plus three of those cars turned out to Minis that have clearly had their VIN entered incorrectly at the DVLA :rolleyes . I've also refined the vehicle decoding from VINs and this is the current cut of data, with 214S and 220GSi correctly represented now :)

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DecodedModel		TAXED	SORN	UNTAXED	UNKNOWN
214 Cabriolet		16	62	2	8
214GSi			1	5	1	4
214i			17	52	12	19
214S			0	5	0	0
214Si			130	383	41	168
214SLi			61	158	24	105
216 Cabriolet		274	683	70	177
216 Coupe		125	412	35	68
216GSi			13	22	3	12
216GTi			9	26	1	3
216GTi Twin Cam		0	7	0	1
216Si			0	0	0	1
216SLi			112	176	37	143
218 VVC Coupe		55	209	12	25
218D			1	22	3	9
218GLD Turbo		9	79	5	27
218SD			5	31	2	14
218SD Turbo		8	36	2	5
218SLD Turbo		2	8	1	3
220 Coupe		31	181	16	21
220 Coupe Turbo		66	270	18	11
220GSi			12	38	2	7
220GSi Turbo		3	33	2	1
220GTi			14	63	6	5
220GTi Turbo		4	22	0	1
220SLi			6	25	1	4
414Si			19	64	10	30
414SLi			52	147	17	54
416 Tourer		34	98	16	40
416GSi			25	49	12	27
416GTi			3	3	0	0
416Si			11	41	5	16
416SLi			148	294	55	138
418GSD Turbo		8	36	1	12
418SD			0	11	1	0
418SD Turbo		6	29	2	13
418SLD			3	11	2	3
418SLD Turbo		29	159	15	63
420GSi			18	69	4	15
420GSi Sport		0	6	0	1
420GSi Sport Turbo	3	23	3	0
420GSi Turbo		0	9	0	1
420SLi			14	50	3	15
I'm still not sure I've got the change over point on the 420 GSi Sport Turbo vs 420 GSi Turbo pinned down correct yet, so take those numbers with a pinch of salt.
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Blimey - mine's the rarest of the lot! And that's before sub-division by 3dr/5dr.

Edit:
I've checked the 214S examples mentioned over the last few years on the forum against https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/, and
obtained the following outcomes:

Taxed:
H592DOD
H842DOD
J951EPN

SORN:
H119PSC
H380GDX
J319RJC
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Re: How many R8's left - do we have a definitive number?

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tompinney wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 6:54 pm
Vinny1979 wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 1:00 pm I see no 220 Gsi :scared
I did wonder how long it would take someone to notice that. I spotted it not long after I posted the table while further refining the data.

I'm now at the point where I have successfully parsed all of the data except for 23 vehicles due to completely garbled VINs, plus three of those cars turned out to Minis that have clearly had their VIN entered incorrectly at the DVLA :rolleyes . I've also refined the vehicle decoding from VINs and this is the current cut of data, with 214S and 220GSi correctly represented now :)

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DecodedModel		TAXED	SORN	UNTAXED	UNKNOWN
214 Cabriolet		16	62	2	8
214GSi			1	5	1	4
214i			17	52	12	19
214S			0	5	0	0
214Si			130	383	41	168
214SLi			61	158	24	105
216 Cabriolet		274	683	70	177
216 Coupe		125	412	35	68
216GSi			13	22	3	12
216GTi			9	26	1	3
216GTi Twin Cam		0	7	0	1
216Si			0	0	0	1
216SLi			112	176	37	143
218 VVC Coupe		55	209	12	25
218D			1	22	3	9
218GLD Turbo		9	79	5	27
218SD			5	31	2	14
218SD Turbo		8	36	2	5
218SLD Turbo		2	8	1	3
220 Coupe		31	181	16	21
220 Coupe Turbo		66	270	18	11
220GSi			12	38	2	7
220GSi Turbo		3	33	2	1
220GTi			14	63	6	5
220GTi Turbo		4	22	0	1
220SLi			6	25	1	4
414Si			19	64	10	30
414SLi			52	147	17	54
416 Tourer		34	98	16	40
416GSi			25	49	12	27
416GTi			3	3	0	0
416Si			11	41	5	16
416SLi			148	294	55	138
418GSD Turbo		8	36	1	12
418SD			0	11	1	0
418SD Turbo		6	29	2	13
418SLD			3	11	2	3
418SLD Turbo		29	159	15	63
420GSi			18	69	4	15
420GSi Sport		0	6	0	1
420GSi Sport Turbo	3	23	3	0
420GSi Turbo		0	9	0	1
420SLi			14	50	3	15
I'm still not sure I've got the change over point on the 420 GSi Sport Turbo vs 420 GSi Turbo pinned down correct yet, so take those numbers with a pinch of salt.
Tom, unless you already had this information, this is the official VIN decoding information for early R8s, from launch to VIN 605481 (mid '92, before facelift introduction with 605482).

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